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Post  Mcdoogle on Tue Oct 14, 2008 10:37 pm

Well, here she is

// Lands
4 [TE] Reflecting Pool
4 [LRW] Vivid Creek
1 [EVT] Cascade Bluffs
2 [EVT] Flooded Grove
4 [SHW] Mystic Gate
2 [SHW] Sunken Ruins
4 [LRW] Vivid Meadow
2 [LRW] Vivid Grove
3 [ALA] Seaside Citadel

// Creatures
4 [LRW] Mulldrifter
2 [LRW] Shriekmaw
1 [ALA] Hellkite Overlord
3 [SHW] Kitchen Finks
1 [SHW] Oona, Queen of the Fae
1 [EVT] Nucklavee

// Spells
2 [MOR] Mind Shatter
2 [SHW] Firespout
3 [10E] Wrath of God
4 [LRW] Cryptic Command
1 [ALA] Resounding Silence
2 [ALA] Cruel Ultimatum
2 [ALA] Esper Charm
4 [ALA] Bant Charm
1 [ALA] Naya Charm
1 [EVT] Oona's Grace


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Re: ILOVEDOOGLE.dec

Post  markyo on Sun Oct 19, 2008 7:56 pm

I played this at fnm, and have a couple observations.

-Resounding thunder is nice when you can cycle it, but I was definitely in situations where it would have been better as condemn.
-Chaotic backlash kithkin is tough, as they can catch you if you tap out for mulldrifter/wrath/oona/ultimatum(with luck) later than t6 or so. I know I misplayed, and didn't get great mana vs. maples, but it was still a hard matchup.
-Shriekmaw seems suboptimal without mannequin
-no board position hurts
-I'd swap at least 1 vivid grove to a vivid crag, and 1-2 of the seaside citadels to BUR ones

While it will crush lots of poorly played random decks, even with a little bit of manascrew, I worry about how it might do vs. well played red/backlash/faeries.
Doesn't mean it's unplayable at all, just needs some adjustment I think.

Again, I haven't really played this deck much, and I'm often wrong, that's just what I thought

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Post  G Pelly on Mon Oct 20, 2008 9:49 am

I played it yesterday at west coast, and while I did win my faeries matchup, it was very hard fought. I think the deck needs to be tightened up a bit and cloudthreshers need to go in somewhere to help shore that matchup up.

Also, when boarding against faeries, I took out the ultimatums and nucklavee for the negates.
I think we can probably move one mind shatter to the board, move a pyroclasm to the board and cut something else and put in 3 negates and then fit 3 cloudthreshers in the board.

Mark, shirekmaw is just fine in this deck. All it needs to do is get us to the late game, it functions as a terror and maybe a little more if we have 5 mana. We have no need for mannequin tricks since we will take over if we get to the late game.

Finally, I played against red and smashed it. What happened is I stabilized at a low life total and cruel ultimatum would bury then and get me 5 crucial life points. It wasn't that hard a matchup actually.

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Re: ILOVEDOOGLE.dec

Post  complex on Mon Oct 20, 2008 2:17 pm

The match up against red is a lot harder if they have stigma lasher it usually gets in there and then you are really on the backpedal. : /

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Re: ILOVEDOOGLE.dec

Post  G Pelly on Mon Oct 20, 2008 2:50 pm

My current iteration of the deck has two maindeck condemn and 2 shriekmaw, so I can usually deal with them in some form or another. The deck I played against had both those and shushers post board and I ran them over with no trouble.

Not saying them hitting me can't happen, but there are some built in protections in the deck. Oh and I have a pyroclasm main, so I have 5 ways to deal with it.

Just for my notes: another reason why condemn > resounding silence in this deck.

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Re: ILOVEDOOGLE.dec

Post  Mcdoogle on Mon Oct 20, 2008 6:29 pm

And by 5 ways to deal with it what you really mean is 10. 4 bant charm and a naya as well

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Re: ILOVEDOOGLE.dec

Post  Mcdoogle on Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:01 am

Greg can you post the most up to date list that is built??

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Re: ILOVEDOOGLE.dec

Post  G Pelly on Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:34 am

Yeah, I'll post it when I get home.

The charms don't really do anything against lasher unless you are on the play and even then your mana has to cooperate. As is, the mana is still a little awkward and it's not always possible to fire off a naya charm or esper charm on t3.

I mean, it's very typical to have something like cascade bluffs, vivid creek and reflecting pool in play. Good luck getting a turn 3 charm off of that.

Btw, I've moved our testing to tomorrow. What I want to do though, is lay out our 5 color deck and discuss card choices, then streamline the list a bit.

I want relic of progenitus somewhere in the board, the graveyard is becoming increasingly more relevant. Also, I think I want to take out the resounding wave and make that a thunder for the faeries matchup instead. Typically, if faeries gets ahead, they will stabilize at a low lifetota, so thunder is a beating and then some against them. Also, thunder could make it's way into the ramp deck's sideboard.

Oh and you want to see something creepy? Look at Stewart Wright's article on SCG. There's doogle's ramp deck. Ironically, he also posted the artifact deck I play against at FNM, almost card for card.

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Re: ILOVEDOOGLE.dec

Post  Mcdoogle on Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:51 pm

Well here is my most up to date list of ILD.dec


Lands
4 [TE] Reflecting Pool
4 [LRW] Vivid Creek
1 [EVT] Cascade Bluffs
2 [EVT] Flooded Grove
4 [SHW] Mystic Gate
2 [SHW] Sunken Ruins
4 [LRW] Vivid Meadow
2 [LRW] Vivid Grove
3 [ALA] Seaside Citadel

// Creatures
4 [LRW] Mulldrifter
2 [LRW] Shriekmaw
1 [ALA] Hellkite Overlord
3 [SHW] Kitchen Finks
1 [SHW] Oona, Queen of the Fae
1 [EVT] Nucklavee

// Spells
2 [MOR] Mind Shatter
3 [10E] Wrath of God
4 [LRW] Cryptic Command
2 [ALA] Cruel Ultimatum
2 [ALA] Esper Charm
4 [ALA] Bant Charm
1 [ALA] Naya Charm
1 [EVT] Oona's Grace
1 [7E] Pyroclasm
2 [DIS] Condemn

// Sideboard
SB: 3 [LRW] Cloudthresher
SB: 2 [SHW] Runed Halo/pyroclasm?
SB: 2 [SHW] Memory Plunder
SB: 3 [MOR] Negate
SB: 2 [7E] Remove Soul/pyroclasm?
SB: 3 [ALA] Oblivion Ring

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Re: ILOVEDOOGLE.dec

Post  complex on Wed Oct 22, 2008 3:29 am

hellkite just seems uneeded.

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Re: ILOVEDOOGLE.dec

Post  G Pelly on Wed Oct 22, 2008 10:17 am

A couple things:

-I want Jace in the board somewhere.

-The only matchup I want runed halo is against mono red and even then...

-What about Broodmate Dragon in place of Overlord?

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Re: ILOVEDOOGLE.dec

Post  Mcdoogle on Fri Oct 24, 2008 3:56 am

I think broodmate might be really good. that card is such gas... Like in Gbr its one of the best draws always so much so im thinking im gonna bump it to 3. I could see playing maybe even 2 in 5cc

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